View Full Version : Tele: Just what did Souths' fans vote for
BrisVegas
26-05-08, 01:00 AM
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23755711-5016307,00.html
By Paul Kent
May 26, 2008 12:00am
AND a fond farewell to Peter Holmes a Court.
Don't come back soon.
The pride of the league are a shambles, no closer to a premiership than when the new administration first swept in with their bold promises and Armani suits.
The club is financially troubled, according to Holmes a Court himself, despite the backing of his and Russell Crowe's millions.
The players are a rabble, just one win in 10 games after so many bold promises over the off-season.
It makes you want to ask: what did the fans vote for?
Before turning out the lights in the chief executive's office, the outgoing Holmes a Court responded to last week's admission that he and Crowe will not continue pouring money into the club by putting it back on the fans.
The club needed another 4000 members, he said. In other words, if Rabbitohs fans want the club to stay alive then they better vote with their wallets.
Once again: what did the fans vote for?
They voted the millionaires in because they were sick of living hand to mouth, and they thought here came their salvation.
A dip in the wallet wasn't the promise fans were led to believe when they voted for private ownership.
It was as unpalatable as when George Piggins suggested back then that Gosford might be the only alternative, as he reiterated yesterday.
That just might have driven the final nail into George's coffin, but with the squeeze now on the Sydney-based club, Piggins might have been smarter than many gave him credit for.
It's not like Souths play any of their games in their district any more, anyway. Though they did when George was there.
The first thing the Rabbitohs need to do is fix the performance on-field.
It starts with letting Taylor coach.
The players head into the sheds at halftime and they see their coach there and what seems a dozen or so assistants standing behind him, and then sweeping through the door come the Armani Mafia.
With the owners looking over the coach's shoulder, the players don't know who the boss is.
Nothing undermines a team like uncertainty.
For months now the club has been using the loss of Craig Wing as a legitimate reason for its losing streak, part of the club's slick media manipulation that shapes nearly everything it does.
Nobody cared mention that a week ago the Rabbitohs took on Canberra - you know Canberra, the club considered to have the weakest roster in the league and pre-season wooden spoon favourites - and they got lapped.
Worse, while the Rabbitohs were moaning about not having Wing, the Raiders went into the match with six of their seven highest-paid players sidelined.
That is absolute fact. Four were gone for the season, yet the Raiders don't bitch or moan. They just went out and beat the team that does.
The Rabbitohs could take a lesson from them.
Here's something else: Taylor got his best result in a long time on Saturday against Melbourne. The new owners were nowhere in sight.
Coincidence?
Finally, the fans should write to George and apologise.
Nobody wants to admit it, but as the new owners struggle to turn a profit off-field, with similar success on it, he just might have been right all along.
Hustler
26-05-08, 12:01 PM
Can't disagree with anything written in that article.
SS is in a very very bad way.
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Finally, the fans should write to George and apologise.
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That bit is a crock of shit. :hammer:
The rest of it has substance though
Baps Bilby
26-05-08, 12:52 PM
Kent has rewritten history a bit I think. Piggins does not deserve an apology. He wanted to maintain control via the stooges he had on the SSDRLFC Board and he wanted to protect a bankrupt Leagues Club. That was why he opposed PHaC and Crowe.
Most people I know who voted did so because there was no other alternative. It was Gosford or bust with Pappas in charge of a Piggins' dominated merged board and the club had been run into financial ruin by an incompetent named Shane Richardson.
I don't think we had any other choice. It is just bad luck and poor character judgement on Russell Crowe's part that we ended up with such a flop as PHaC.
Hustler
26-05-08, 01:34 PM
Kent has rewritten history a bit I think. Piggins does not deserve an apology. He wanted to maintain control via the stooges he had on the SSDRLFC Board and he wanted to protect a bankrupt Leagues Club. That was why he opposed PHaC and Crowe.
Most people I know who voted did so because there was no other alternative. It was Gosford or bust with Pappas in charge of a Piggins' dominated merged board and the club had been run into financial ruin by an incompetent named Shane Richardson.
I don't think we had any other choice. It is just bad luck and poor character judgement on Russell Crowe's part that we ended up with such a flop as PHaC.
I totally disagree with your "just bad luck" and "poor character judgement" lines.
It was plain for everyone to see what HaC was like well before the vote. He had absolutely NO rugby league knowledge at all, NO passion for the club, many previous business failings, and was only ever interested in one thing, MONEY!
Just by listening to the grub speak, you get the "slimy used car salesman" feel. There was always something not right about him, whether it was the way he refused to answer simple questions, or the fact that he carried on like he was bigger and better than us "plebs".
It was clear this bloke was only ever in it for himself, and some SS people fell hook line and sinker!
The Perp
26-05-08, 03:00 PM
There were people who had direct dealings with PHaC before the vote. People who had open minds but a questioning nature about his proposal. PHaC lied to their faces. He knew it. They knew it. And then he lied again to cover-up his earlier lies.
From that point on PHaC was never going to be trusted by an element in this club. It's grown from there.
Piggins isn't owed any apologies. :hammer: I don't think we can forget why we needed to consider privatisation in the first place.
Let's not get carried away!!! :confused:
Piggins isn't owed any apologies. :hammer: I don't think we can forget why we needed to consider privatisation in the first place.
Let's not get carried away!!! :confused:
Exactly. He should be apologising to us :hammer:
However Hac owes us all an apology:mad:
However Hac owes us all an apology
He surely does for misrepresenting himself.
There are many apologies he needs to make, I doubt any would ever be offered though.
Happyfeet
26-05-08, 04:34 PM
However Hac owes us all an apology
He surely does for misrepresenting himself.
There are many apologies he needs to make, I doubt any would ever be offered though.
He would never make one, and some would never accept it if he did.
He can rot in hell!
Redfernking
26-05-08, 05:41 PM
Interesting to see the Piggins apologists all floating to the surface now. Had he done the right thing 20 years ago we wouldn't be in the desperate situation we're in now.
There will be no mileage in this for Piggins other than to grab a quick spot in the media. Nobody with any brains at Souths is stupid enough to forget that the club was run into the ground by the management that began in 1990. It was the incompetent previous management that forced us into a position where we had to privatise or be faced with death or relocation.
Piggins and PHaC both owe the Souths community an apology.
Interesting to see the Piggins apologists all floating to the surface now. Had he done the right thing 20 years ago we wouldn't be in the desperate situation we're in now.
Her we go PHAC's support and phone team trying to justify the stand they took back then.
Agreed the club was in trouble but was PHAC ever the answer? NO as I pointed out then and point out here once again, other than his family name what business expertise does PHAC ever display? What knowledge about running a football club did he ever have? What knowledge of Rugby League does he have at all?
I can sum up PHAC's football knowledge when he openly rated to anyone who would listen, Oztag Joe as a top class halfback that Souths would build a team around :jester:
Her we go PHAC's support and phone team trying to justify the stand they took back then.
Agreed the club was in trouble but was PHAC ever the answer? NO as I pointed out then and point out here once again, other than his family name what business expertise does PHAC ever display? What knowledge about running a football club did he ever have? What knowledge of Rugby League does he have at all?
I can sum up PHAC's football knowledge when he openly rated to anyone who would listen, Oztag Joe as a top class halfback that Souths would build a team around :jester:
Mate I believe it was Rusty's passion and love for the club that made many including myself see that proposal as the bunnies last chance - it too failed and maybe the lesson is that the culture of failure embedded in this club over the last 20+ yeras is too much to overcome in a modern day (business) sport
The Perp
26-05-08, 06:36 PM
We all talk about Russell's passion, but where the hell is he?
As a leader he should have been at Blue Tongue on Saturday night. He should also be coming out in the media and reassuring the fans about the crisis we're in.
The papers print rumours that Russell is furious at PHaC for his statements in the media about the club's dire future. If that's right, then Russell should come out and say so to us, the fans.
With ownership comes responsibility. And, with all due respect, Russell is avoiding that responsibility by hiding in the background.
Come out and tell us where we, and more importantly, you, stand, Russell. Do your job. The fans are looking for someone to follow after the PHaC debacle.
:hmmmm:
South Sydney King
26-05-08, 07:57 PM
I voted for honesty, not lies
I would still vote YES tomorrow.
PHaC didn't need to have a single ounce of rugby league knowledge. Still doesn't.
What he needed to do was employ a couple of people who did rather than a whole bunch of people who didn't.
He made the same mistake as Piggins in that he wanted control of everything. He micro-managed and took on far, far too much.
I think most of us would vote Yes again. What was the other option? :mad0228:
I reckon many of us were more keen on the passion and Souths credentials that Russell Crowe had rather than the flashness of PHaC.
If we did not vote Yes, with a massive loss that was hidden by our Board and already moved to ANZ then Gosford was looming large.
We had had enough of Piggins and his 20 years of failure. Voting No would just mean more of it.
Now we just need to work hard to rid ourselves of the rest of the culprits.
Pappas
Hatfield
Hatzistergos
Richardson (LNPE)
Grzanka
Kelly
Richardson (poof American)
Green
Henderson
These are failure names. Names that have betrayed people. That have lied to Members. Names that mean that nothing will have really changed unless they are gone.
Revolutions don't get won by celebrating the winning of a single battle.
Champion
26-05-08, 09:10 PM
An excellent post, Rapido.
One that Leonie Gibbons would agree with.
Leonie was impressed with PHAC when he started at SSFC. But then he let the people go who know anything about football and she changed her mind.
Redfernking
26-05-08, 09:39 PM
Her we go PHAC's support and phone team trying to justify the stand they took back then.
No PHAC support team here Brian. He's gone and that's obviously a good thing.
Let me tell you I'm still very glad I voted yes to privatisation. As I said before it looks like some Piggins supporters are now re-surfacing.
No PHAC support team here Brian. He's gone and that's obviously a good thing.
Let me tell you I'm still very glad I voted yes to privatisation. As I said before it looks like some Piggins supporters are now re-surfacing.
The Back-flip assistant posts once again, you were preaching PHAC to anyone who would listen, saying he was the best thing to happen to Souths since 1989. Well you were wrong , you got on the used car saleman bandwagon and manned his phones, preaching the "business acuman" of PHAC and saying how he would turn the club around.
His acheivements?
1. Closing down the Leagues Club
2. Signing up dodgy Bros sponsors and then losing them
3. Signing aged players to long term contracts
4. Going over the salary cap and getting fined
5. Releasing Cusak, our forward leader and not replacing him
6. Worst recruitment since 2004 and leaving us with a wooden spoon team a year after making the 8.
7. Making us the laughing stock of the league by chasing after internet thread posters in the media. If you think we are the only club with supporters sites who criticise the management/players/coach just check out the other fans forum.
8. Using the position to get himself on any Tv show/Radio talk back show/newspaper or Magazine article and of course being King Wanker in any celeb sporting event he could enter
PHAC a joke and nothing more :jester:
The Perp
27-05-08, 11:11 AM
I don't think it matters any more how anyone voted. Reality of the present is what we should be addressing.
We all agreed that PHaC had to go and it's happened. There's other current problems to address and others who have to be held accountable.
This Yes/No thing will have us barking at the moon and take years off our lives.
Redfernking
27-05-08, 11:29 AM
Well you were wrong , you got on the used car saleman bandwagon and manned his phones, preaching the "business acuman" of PHAC and saying how he would turn the club around.
At least i didn't man the phones at the Henry Morris nerve centre Brian.
Sydney Rovers
27-05-08, 11:34 AM
I don't think it matters any more how anyone voted. Reality of the present is what we should be addressing.
We all agreed that PHaC had to go and it's happened. There's other current problems to address and others who have to be held accountable.
This Yes/No thing will have us barking at the moon and take years off our lives.Spot on and don't think that if the result had gone the other way that we wouldn't be in a bigger mess than we are in now.
Also does it matter that the Leagues Club as it was is closed considering that there has been no funding from it in the last 20 years?
oinkoink
27-05-08, 11:46 AM
Spot on and don't think that if the result had gone the other way that we wouldn't be in a bigger mess than we are in now.
Also does it matter that the Leagues Club as it was is closed considering that there has been no funding from it in the last 20 years?
Exactly! The pokie tax and anti-smoking laws have only affected the funding we have been receiving from the Juniors. The Leagues club hasn't supported the FC for years. I think it actually owes money!
At least i didn't man the phones at the Henry Morris nerve centre Brian.
Trouble is wankers like you didn't challenge PHAC just blindly supported him.
Crowe has Souths at heart and always was and is one of the owners of Souths. If he can't do it alone then he should have looked at Souths Juniors or John Singleton as his partner in the operation. People that know the footy culture and know how to run a footy club.
OK Singleton means games at Gosford but at least we would be financial now with the NRL grant plus cash input from Crowe and Singleton. To Crowe and Singleton putting in $2 million each a year if need be is well within their means. Obviously tying up Souths with the Stadium at Gosford, Central Coast Leagues club may make them profitable anyway.
Travelling to Gosford is at least possible for all Souths supporters living in Sydney and we still get to watch them on Foxtel if we can't get their live.
Redfernking
27-05-08, 12:11 PM
Travelling to Gosford is at least possible for all Souths supporters living in Sydney and we still get to watch them on Foxtel if we can't get their live.
Sounding more and more like a Piggins man coming out of the bushes with every post.
A hint of erectile disfunction and Bwian loses his mind!!!! :p
Sydney Rovers
27-05-08, 12:26 PM
Travelling to Gosford is at least possible for all Souths supporters living in Sydney.With petrol at $1.50 a litre and rising? Yeah right.
With petrol at $1.50 a litre and rising? Yeah right.
Their are trains to Gosford you know that pull up beside the ground :happy0199:
Sounding more and more like a Piggins man coming out of the bushes with every post.
What has Piggins got to do with the club anymore?
The thing is PHAC is responsible fopr the current mess, you are sounding like Rudd now, every economic problem can be blamed on the Liberals.
Hopefully we will survive at ANZ, my preferred viewing area but I would rather have Souths at Gosford than no Souths at all. Why don't you come out of the closet and admit to being a Bears supporter and hoping for the Bears to be resurrected at Central Coast?
Their are trains to Gosford you know that pull up beside the ground :happy0199:
your an idiot Brianj. Yeah lets call ourselves the Central Coast Bunnies..are true South man you are.:jester:
Redfernking
27-05-08, 01:51 PM
What has Piggins got to do with the club anymore?
Fortunately Piggins has nothing to do with the club, but i suspect you'd be more than happy for him to return tomorrow.
Dicky Boy
27-05-08, 02:00 PM
Trouble is wankers like you didn't challenge PHAC just blindly supported him.
Crowe has Souths at heart and always was and is one of the owners of Souths. If he can't do it alone then he should have looked at Souths Juniors or John Singleton as his partner in the operation. People that know the footy culture and know how to run a footy club.
OK Singleton means games at Gosford but at least we would be financial now with the NRL grant plus cash input from Crowe and Singleton. To Crowe and Singleton putting in $2 million each a year if need be is well within their means. Obviously tying up Souths with the Stadium at Gosford, Central Coast Leagues club may make them profitable anyway.
Travelling to Gosford is at least possible for all Souths supporters living in Sydney and we still get to watch them on Foxtel if we can't get their live.
LOl good one, make this comment a sticky as it is brilliant it shows people what posters on the piddle are like :happy0198::happy0198:
This is a classic comedy grab
Brilliant
As if any fan of the SSDRLFC would take this too heart :hilarious::hilarious:
Sydney Rovers
27-05-08, 02:23 PM
Their are trains to Gosford you know that pull up beside the ground :happy0199:And what percentage of people actually took the train from Sydney to last week's game? If the figure is more than 10% I'd be surprised.:confused0077:
It would be interesting to know how many people would still support the club should a move to Gosford actually take place.
It isn't for me.
We all agreed that PHaC had to go
Not sure I agreed if teh only alternatative is/was Pappas and Richo.
Change for changes sake is no good - we should have had a plan before making the move as now we will either die or have to change again which only sets our course back and closer to death.
I really don't see how we have even the most basic of building blocks on which to turn this mess around.
Someone get me a smiley with a violin.:mad:
Fortunately Piggins has nothing to do with the club, but i suspect you'd be more than happy for him to return tomorrow.
Of course I would be happy for him to return to the club, he never should have left. As a supporter that is. :happy0199:
Unfortunately for all of us PHAC still is on the board and poking his nose in every where, lending his expert business knowledge and attracting mega sponsorships and of course still running with his 2 weeks in Perth idea :happy0198:
Sydney Rovers
27-05-08, 04:39 PM
It would be interesting to know how many people would still support the club should a move to Gosford actually take place.
It isn't for me.There's no chance I would support a team in Gosford so there would be no Rugby League for me. Also no League would probably be something my wallet/bank balance wouldn't mind seeing. :hmmmm:
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